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This thread describes how to install a complete Operating System (FatDog), nVidia drivers and GPUGRID on to a 1GB or larger USB memory stick. The procedure is much easier than you might think.
Advantages:
Saves the cost of a hard drive.
Saves the cost of an operating system.
Saves the energy to run a hard drive.
Allows you to try Linux/Puppy/FatDog with no hard drive commitment what so ever.
It is fast, easy and fun.
FatDog64 is a complete 64 bit operating system that is under 200MB. Being so small it can run completely in RAM which makes it very fast. Best of all it is completely free.
Why not give it a go? No commitment is required. Nothing needs to be installed to your hard drive, in fact once you make a bootable disk you could unplug your hard drive and the system would still run just perfect.
FatDog64 running BOINC/GPUGRID: http://yfrog.com/7gfatdog64boinchardinfop
Summery of the process:
Download and burn the FatDog64 ISO to a CD or DVD.
Boot from the optical disk, install the OS to a stick and save your settings.
Download nVidia drivers.
Set up the drivers first, reboot, and then download and run BOINC.
Steps in more detail:
Note: An nVidia GPU is required to run GPUGRID. 1GB of RAM or more should be available as well.
1) Download the FatDog64-511 iso from: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/iso/
2) Burn iso file to a CD or DVD (as an iso disk image, not as data)*
3) If your computer is not set to boot from CD/DVD select "boot from CD/DVD" in BIOS or boot menu (at f2 or f12 typically).
4) Boot from the FatDog64 CD/DVD (you can unplug your hard drive if you are worried about it, FatDog64 will not be needing it)
Note: FatDog64 should come to a GUI screen automatically. If you are left at a command prompt with no GUI see **
5) Go to the "setup" menu , select "Puppy universal installer"
6) Select "USB Flash drive" and hit "OK"
7) Follow the instructions. Note GParted is similar to "Partition Magic". Make sure the bootable flag is set with Gparted.
8) Shutdown the system (all the way down this time).
9) You will be asked if you want to create a permanent storage. Answer yes.
10) Remove the CD/DVD, reboot(make sure your bios/boot menu is set to boot from USB). Your USB stick will now remember settings between restarts. Redo steps 4a- if necessary.
11) Set up networking by left clicking "Net-Wizard" and follow the directions.
12) Open an internet browser by left clicking "Firefox".
13) At the default home page single left click "click here for pet packages". Single left click the folder "500".
or follow this link: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/pets/500/
UPDATE
A new pet package is available with the new nVidia 260 series driver.
14) Download the nvidia driver pet by right clicking on "nvidia-260.19.21-for-510-only.pet" and then left clicking on "Save Link As" and then clicking on "Save". Pay attention to where it puts the file (defaults to "Downloads").***
NOTE: "for-510-only" means version 510 or newer (works fine with 511).
15) On your local computer go to "nvidia-260.19.21-for-510-only.pet" which should most likely in the "Downloads" folder on the desktop and left click it. It will install automatically.
16)You might actually need to restart the entire computer rather than just the X-server GUI. Older versions (RC3) worked by just restarting the X-server but I don't think this works any longer.
NOTE: The nVidia driver must be installed and working before you go any farther, this might require you to install to a USB stick or HD before proceeding.
17) Use Firefox to download BOINC for 64 bit Linux from the BOINC download site. The BOINC site should auto detect the correct version automatically. Pay attention to where it puts the file.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
18) Right click on the BOINC file, go to properties and make the file executable by putting check marks in the "exec" boxes (left click in the box to make a check mark).
19) Left click on the .sh file, BOINC installs itself.
NOTE: Fatdog makes all downloaded files the property of the user, rather than the ROOT account. Errors may occur if a program owned by a regular user tries to modify a file belonging to ROOT. If this is an issue running BOINC from the downloads folder do the following:
19a) Move the BOINC folder from downloads to another folder, like "my-applications"
19b) Change the ownership of the folder my-applications and all sub folders and files using the console command "chown -R root:root /root/my-applications". The -R is for "recursive".
20) In the same folder you found the original install file there should now be a new folder named BOINC. Open the folder by left clicking and left click on "boincmgr".
That is it. The rest should be familiar to BOINC users (set up BOINC preferences and attach to GPUGRID).
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If you don't have an ISO burner check out:
http://www.imgburn.com/ or
http://www.ntfs.com/iso-burning.htm
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(Thank you Toni)
4a. You will be left at the console. Enter the command "mp"
4b. An editor appears. Type ctrl-o and, when requested a file, enter /etc/X11/xorg.conf (respect capitals)
4c. In the "Device" section, add the following line
Driver "vesa"
4d. Save and exit (ctrl-q)
4e. Type "startx".
4f. This should put you on a low-res GUI from which you can resume with the following steps. After you install the proprietary nvidia drivers, the resolution will be fine.
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These files may change names as they are updated. If you can't find the exact file look for a similar file name.
EDIT: Changed "CD" to "CD or DVD". FatDog is less than 200MB so it can easily fit on a CD but a blank DVD will also work just fine. |
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Hi bigtuna,
maybe you should team up with Dotsch, he seems to do the same with his
Dotsch/UK distri.
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I saw Dotch a few weeks ago and though it looked interesting but never got around to checking it out.
Puppy Linux has been a favorite of mine for years now so it was natural to attempt to get Puppy working with BOINC/GPUGRID.
When my good friend BikerMatt sent me a 6 core CPU I built a system around the 1055T right away. I didn't have an empty spare hard drive laying around so I tried the normal 32 bit version of Puppy Linux which requires no hard drive. 32 bit Puppy worked for BOINC and Rosetta but it had several limitations:
1) The 32 bit version could not see all the system memory.
2) The 32 bit version was evidently compiled to use a max of 4 cores and the 1055T has 6 cores.
3) The 32 bit version could not run GPUGRID.
After some searching I found FatDog64 and I was very excited because FatDog had the potential to overcome all of the 32 bit version's deficiencies. When I saw that the nVidia driver was available as an easy to install "PET" package I knew I had to give it a try. I was thrilled to discover that FatDog64 did not have any of the 32 bit version's deficiencies.
I'm about to check out Dotch. At this point I'm wondering why Dotch needs to be roughly 3 times the size of FatDog?
BTW I'm not responsible for FatDog, I'm just the guy who got FatDog working with GPUGRID (which is easy/nothing). Kirk is the genius who took Barry's already awesome Puppy software and got it working on a 64 bit kernel.
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Evidently the nVidia driver in the "PET" is a bit dated. It works fine with my GT240 but not with Fermi cards. Looks like I'm missing step 4f:
(thanks to skgiven for pointing out the omission)
4f) This should put you on a low-res GUI from which you can resume with the following steps. After you install the proprietary nvidia drivers, the resolution will be fine.
At this point I don't actually know how to install newer drivers than are contained in the PET so I'll need some help with this one. I'm more of a Puppy Linux fan than a Puppy Linux expert.
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Uhm.. we can't edit it, either :( How strange!
Can we start a new thread with all the updated info/corrections and erase the old one?
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I took the liberty to edit your post, but please PM me at your convenience so we can try to debug the unable-to-edit condition. I prefer not to start a new thread so the links pointing here will stay valid. |
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Update:
"PuppyPC" is now a completely different computer. The old system was an AMD 4000+ with a single GT240. The new system is diskless and is running an AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 (3.0GHz dual core) CPU and twin XFX GT240 video cards (thanks to BikerMatt for some of the hardware).
FatDog64 had no trouble at all with the dual video card setup.
One thing did give me a bit of a headache, the AZIO AWU354 wireless USB network adapter is evidently not directly supported. The AZIO AWU354's chipset is the Ralink RT2070. After a few failed attempts to get it working I gave up and installed a wireless PCI card and all is well.
Not sure why but it really gives me a thrill to see the system running so well with no hard drive...
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Hi bigtuna,
I've been curious, but also hesitant. My PC's are very picky, after very many failed WU's while experimenting with Mint 8 Gnome/Kde, Ubuntu 10.04 Gnome/Kde/Xfce, Mint 9. I went back to Mint 8 Gnome & Kde.
Since Fatdog is still rc3, I didn't dare. Would there be any point in starting with Puppy 5, & follow the steps for Puppy 4 upgrade to Fatdog: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=28068
Only problem is, I don't know if there is a fatdog-5.sfs needed to upgrade. Would doing this, if possible, be more bloated, but stable?
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We mirrored the ISO here http://www.gpugrid.net/pub/Fatdog64-500.iso |
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Hi bigtuna,
I've been curious, but also hesitant. My PC's are very picky, after very many failed WU's while experimenting with Mint 8 Gnome/Kde, Ubuntu 10.04 Gnome/Kde/Xfce, Mint 9. I went back to Mint 8 Gnome & Kde.
Since Fatdog is still rc3, I didn't dare. Would there be any point in starting with Puppy 5, & follow the steps for Puppy 4 upgrade to Fatdog: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=28068
Only problem is, I don't know if there is a fatdog-5.sfs needed to upgrade. Would doing this, if possible, be more bloated, but stable?
I assume you are thinking of upgrading with the idea of running GPUGRID? And that you need a 64-bit OS? I believe that the original versions of FatDog were 32-bit. The name FatDog by itself only indicates the addition of some larger popular applications that are common in full size distros but absent in Puppy (because Puppy is designed to be small). I suspect that the thread you linked to is talking about 32-bit software...
What you need to run GPUGRID is 64 bit software which is where FatDog-64 comes in. When I talk about FatDog I'm generally referring to the 64 bit version but there are earlier non-64 bit versions of FatDog. Sorry for the confusion.
Since FatDog64 will run from the CD in RAM there is no hard drive commitment what-so-ever. I can download FD-64, burn it, boot it, set it up, and have it running GPUGRID in less than half an hour. If you are running Fermi it might take a bit more effort and certainly your first time might take a bit longer but it is really simple to just try it, just to get an idea of what is possible on such a small OS. |
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Hi Bigtuna,
does this mean that puppy/fatdog64 has a rival or a friend? http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06185
They point out to their new 64-bit kernel available in distribution files area http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/tinycorelinux/3.x/release_candidates/distribution_files/ if I'm not mistaken.
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Since Fatdog is still rc3, I didn't dare.
Updates:
Fatdog64-500 is now considered to be "final".
Announcement:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=57389&sid=8f7699339436705fd70457da2cc2bf54
ISO:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/iso/
Kirk was nice enough to update the nvidia driver "pet" so installing the 256 series driver only takes one click.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/pets/500/
The OP has been edited to reflect the new version and the new driver pet.
I've not had a chance to test the final version or the new driver but I will in just a day or two.
Santa is bringing me a GTX 460 very soon so I'll be able to test FatDog with Fermi based cards... |
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Thanks bigtuna, I get the hint. I'll try within a week, I might want to get a USB flash drive first, just to be on the safe side. Things have been so nice & stable lately.
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Hi Bigtuna,
I installed after getting a USB pendrive. It works & I was really looking forward, but as you can see here http://www.gpugrid.net/results.php?hostid=75696 it doesn't like my PC. Not this one at least http://www.gpugrid.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=75696. Such a shame, it was supposedly 50-100% faster than Mint Linux8 64bit. It's not only GPUGRID it fails on, but also Rosetta@home, freehal@home, ibercivis, & WCG says it has no work for my unsupported i686 machine.
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I will try to lower my slightly OC'ed RAM that's set to 1066Mhz from an original 900Mhz, down to 800Mhz & see if that helps.
It's way too soon to say, but the longest a GPUGRID WU survived before changing from 1066Mhz to 800Mhz was under 4 minutes, now I'm past 13 minutes. One single "suggestion" or "request" if I may, is a PET for nvclock & BOINC when there's time for that ;-)
rosetta@home failed after 30min so did GPUGRID, Freehal@home still ticks. Maybe it's just the heat & rosetta@home fails on other PC's too, but I can't figure out how to install nvclock :-(
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For WCG (which only have x86 apps) you need to create a cc_config.xml file in the Boinc directory, open it as a text file and save it after adding the following lines,
<cc_config>
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For WCG (which only have x86 apps) you need to create a cc_config.xml file in the Boinc directory, open it as a text file and save it after adding the following lines,
<cc_config>
<options>
<alt_platform>i686-pc-linux-gnu</alt_platform>
</options>
</cc_config>
I did this & got this message from WCG
Wed 14 Jul 2010 11:41:05 PM GMT+5 World Community Grid [error] App version has unsupported platform i686-pc-linux-gnu
Wed 14 Jul 2010 11:41:05 PM GMT+5 World Community Grid [error] No application found for task: i686-pc-linux-gnu 614 ; discarding
But downclocking the RAM did help a lot, & so did using Option "Coolbits" "4" I'd use "5" but my GPU is already OC'ed
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I should have also said you need to exit Boinc and then open it up again (leave it a few seconds in between).
It's fine, you won't lose all the tasks - they are in RAM. |
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We had a power outage which killed my RAM only machine. Normally it only takes a few minutes to boot, load the driver, install Boinc and get up and running again.
I took the power outage as an opportunity to try out FatDog 64 final (I was running rc3) and the new 256 series drivers (I was running the older 195 series drivers)and I couldn't get it to work. Curiously reverting back to rc3 and the 195 series drivers did the trick and the computer started like normal??
Anyhow for some reason the newer stuff does not install the same way and when you restart x (after loading the driver) it never comes back, not even with the xorgwizard command.
Any help would be appreciated.
TIA
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Im from CZech Rep...my comp is PDC (core2duoWith2MB_L2chace@3.45Ghz-stable) n fermi 456...but, your server dont send my any work...n my credit is still ZERO !!! I need torture my GForce....where iz my problem? cuda installed, boinc installed...how much can i do ?pls help me...thX haski@email.cz
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Hi Senna,
try a higher (newer) version of BOINC 6.10.58 & newest NVIDIA WHQL DriverGeForce/ION Driver Release 256 I see you're downloading WU's but getting instant errors. Hope this helps
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ThX ....100 percent occupancy))) fermi n cpu are never cooler))) room is very heatly, with my new love:D...How can I change GPU Occupancy?..I need more work to gpu n cpu is only prepair station for streamprocessorcity...How can I change this situation?...gpu is very lonely...only 57 Celsius...bud when I start furmark gpu temperature growth up 90C n ventilation on heatpipecooler transmute to turbine))....boinc dont warmth graphic? |
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Hi Senna, your computer failed too many tasks. So the server stopped sending tasks. After 24h you will be able to pick up new tasks.
Looking at your last failed task, you are/were using a very old version of Boinc (ver 6.4.5). Probably too old for GPU crunching.
IF you have not already done what liveonc suggested, Uninstall Boinc and Restart computer.
Install Boinc 6.10.58, restart computer
If you need to, install NVidia driver 25896.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-32bit-258.96-whql-driver-all.html
Restart computer, and try crunching again.
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Sorry I've been absent for so long. Had trouble with a few systems and got frustrated.
The current version of FatDog64 is 511 and it seems to work pretty darn good. I had trouble with 500 so I was running RC3 till just lately (progression has been RC3, 500, 510 and 511)
FatDog-511 can be found here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/iso/
An easy to install "PET" of newer 260 series nVidia drivers (nvidia-260.19.21-for-510-only.pet) can be found here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/pets/500/
Note that "510 only" means 510 or newer (works fine with 511).
I'll be editing this info into the first post ASAP.
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It should be noted that I'm by far not an expert on all this. In fact I've got my system running in a weird hybrid mode because I couldn't figure out how to properly configure the GRUB boot loader. When trying to boot straight from the HD the system displays "error 15".
It would be nice to get this ironed out but in the mean time the system boots fine by starting from the CD and at some point (fairly early on) switching over to the information stored on the HD.
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Got it all sorted out! System now boots straight from HD without a need for a CD to get it started. The issue was that the GRUB installer needs the HD to be UNMOUNTED in order to work properly. An incorrect error message was giving me fits.
Installing to a HD is similar to installing to USB but GRUB must be installed and configured in a separate step after the Universal Installer has finished.
If you are attempting to install FD64-511 to a HD make sure to save a copy of the GRUB configuration instructions that pop up. I think GRUB auto configures for a FULL HD install and must be modified for a FRUGAL HD install. |
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A new version of FatDog-64 is out. I'm still using 5.11 with the 260 series nVidia drivers but at some point I'll check out the new 5.21 FatDog with the new 280 series drivers. If someone else beats me to it please post here. |
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So I've been checking out the newest FatDog-64 and have decided to install it on my GTX-570 system as soon as I get the chance.
The newest FatDog-64 has monitoring software that checks to see if your internet connection is working and attempts to connect if it is not. This could be a good thing if it works on wireless. When the older versions drop off the wireless network they need to be connected manually (AFAIK) which can result in downtime. If the new version work as I suspect, this issue will be fixed! |
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Does this BOINC-on-a-stick run instead of or alongside BOINC on my hard drive? |
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The idea is that you can use your existing setup as it is now, and when you want to run Boinc (say overnight or at the weekends) boot to the USB stick which contains the Linux operating system and Boinc with GPUGrid, and whatever else you crunch for.
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Does this BOINC-on-a-stick run instead of or alongside BOINC on my hard drive?
"Instead of" in that you can only boot from one or the other. Both will not run at the same time.
"Alongside" in that both can exist ready to go on the for the same computer. This is especially handy if you have Windows on your hard drive and don't want to load Linux on your hard drive. In such case you boot from your hard drive if you want Windows and you boot off the USB stick if you want FatDog64/BOINC.
GPUGRID on a stick is also ideal for setting up a new crunch box sans hard drive. With the high price of hard drives these days that could be a significant savings!
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GPUGRID on a stick is also ideal for setting up a new crunch box sans hard drive. With the high price of hard drives these days that could be a significant savings!
This is not strictly true:
A 2011 study by Intel on the use of 45,000 SSDs reported an annualized failure rate of 0.61% for SSDs, compared to 4.85% for HDDs. "Validating the Reliability of IntelĀ® Solid-State Drives". Intel. July 2011. Retrieved 10 February 2012.
Other studies say their failure are similar http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/213442/solid_state_drives_no_better_than_others_survey_says.html
BUT. Memory Stick! Original flash memory designs had very limited estimated lifetimes. You can check this everywhere.
From wikipedia: "Original flash memory designs had very limited estimated lifetimes. The failure mechanism for flash memory cells is analogous to a metal fatigue mode; the device fails by refusing to write new data to specific cells that have been subject to many read-write cycles over the device's lifetime. Premature failure of a "live USB" could be circumvented by using a flash drive with a write-lock switch as a WORM device, identically to a live CD. Originally, this potential failure mode limited the use of "live USB" system to special purpose applications or temporary tasks"
So if you do a stick reading and writing it will last very very little time and you will start have errors very soon. |
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Ahh, but the beauty of FatDog-64 is that it so small it will run completely in RAM. In fact neither a hard drive or a memory stick is strictly needed at all. The only thing the memory stick does is save your spot in the case of a power failure or crash. One could easily remaster FatDog-64 to include BOINC and the nVidia drivers and run in pure RAM mode with no permanent storage what so ever.
Optionally you could run on a memory stick at least until hard drive prices come back down.
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FatDog64-521 comes with the "Frisbee" network manager. Frisbee automatically checks the network to insure that it is up which is a big improvement over the previous network manager. Once the old network dropped out you were done till you manually reset the network connection. With the new Frisbee network manager the network should reset itself.
Trouble is I've not been able to get Frisbee working with my wireless card. Been doing a little reading and plan to tackle this problem soon.
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I am really thinking about using Linux on one of my dedicated crunchers. It has 2 EVGA GTX 580s in it and both are overclocked.
What overclocking tools are available for Linux? It looks like the EVGA Precision and MSI Afterburner tools are Windows only.
Before I go down the Linux path, I want to make sure I have all of my tools figured out.
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Nvidia has not enabled OC'ing the Fermi cards under Linux. The only option is to flash the bios with your desired settings. |
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How do I flash the BIOS with custom settings?
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How to build a custom BIOS.
I found a thread on this on another site. I hope it is OK to post it here. I need more details before I commit a custom BIOS to one of my cards.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1211151/flashing-nvidia-bios-within-windows
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Hardware:
Q6600
GTX470
4GB USB stick
OS:
Fatdog 521 x64
Software:
NVidia 280.13 drivers
BOINC 6.10.58 (can't get 6.12 or 7.0.25 to work, after extracting the BOINC dirs, the "boincmgr" gives an error and won't start, but 6.10 doesn't have this problem)
eOn2, PrimeGrid and GPUGRID al three run fine.
I've also made a guide in Dutch on our forum http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1505511, I hope that is oke with you.
Moreover I've made screenshots of almost the entire installation, which can be downloaded and viewed Guide_FatDog_521_64bit.ppt |
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How do I flash the BIOS with custom settings?
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=336117
I used FBE to change the BIOS of my GTX460 cards and it works fine.
In XP I used Afterburner to control some things a bit more but in Linux I still have to find a substitute.
Also installed Fatdog and it runs but still some problems (computation errors).
eOn2 runs reasonably OK but got a few errors:
http://eon.ices.utexas.edu/eon2/results.php?hostid=27344&offset=0&show_names=0&state=5
Seems some mem problems.
And Collatz is " not available for my type of computer" ?????
http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=5500505 is running but remaining time is increasing the whole time so no idea how long (19:30hrs atm) this one will take on a Asrock 870 Extreme 3 / Phenom II X4 945 / GTX460FTW / 8GB DDR3 combo.
Bytheay : Is there no way to save the files/data, the Xdialog box shows every few minutes, automatically ? |
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31zx192-MJHARVEY_MJH120523-2-5-RND2804_1
Anybody any idea how long this one should take ?
Atm it looks like it will take 22hrs instead of the 19:30 hrs I posted below.
I expected with Linux it would finish within 24hrs. |
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