Hi, NVIDIA plans to introduce GK100 (or GK110) known as Big Kepler in the upcoming GPU Thechnology Conference in San Jose (California, USA) May 14-17, 2012 Has 7,000 milion transistors. Greetings.

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Well that's good news!! Wonder how the design will be in regards to the FP32 vs. FP64 core layout, meaning I'm wondering if it will just be a monster at FP32, and slightly so at FP64 (like 680), or if they will make this one a more well-rounded GPU for crunching purposes.

Hate to see how long it will take for any to actually become available though!! 680 been out for over a month, and they're still hard to get. Maybe a christmas gift for me? lol.

7 billion though, EXCITING!!

EDIT: Hmmmm.... read some other forums, and many discussing that this may be for ONLY for their compute designed chips Quaddro and Tesla, which would make sense from a business standpoint : ( Gpu compute conference= expensive series, meant for scientists with grant money......

I mean the 680 isn't restricted though like other cards though if I'm not mistaken. 680 only has 8 fp64 cores which run at 1/1. They're not throttled, they just don't exist, not even added in the core count too.

This should be interesting. Probably should be somewhere between 25-30% faster than 680? My guess anyways. Hope they have yields compared to 680! Rollout has been way to slow

Now that I think about it, with 7B transistors, couldn't this be the 690?

If it is a 685, and if it does have 2305, instead of 2048. Those extra cores could be the FP64 cores ? Seems like there's no way they could fit this on a 520 die though. IMHO. Also saw release date was rumored at August to September, which at the current rate of availability of 680 would probably make them AVAILABLE around Xmas.

EDIT: Further if this is the case, this would begin to bring it dangerously close to Maxwell if I'm not mistaken. Guess I'll have to wait and see.

If it is a 685, and if it does have 2305, instead of 2048. Those extra cores could be the FP64 cores ?

Very true. Seems weird they would post it on Twitter feed to me anyways. If it wasn't consumer based. Have seen dev based betas 301.26 and 301.27 for them to build their tools. My 680 is using 301.25, which isn't even on their website yet, which has quaddro feature on it, as well as 670 or 660 ti specs as well.

I still think nVidia won't release BigKepler as a consumer card (i.e. GeForce). Besides the crunchers, there is no need for such a card in this market segment. We crunchers are a minority among the consumer card buyers, so we do not present such an urge for nVidia to release a cheap cruncher card built on an expensive chip.
GDF's reaction was kind of a confirmation of my opinion, naming the GTX 680 as the flagship product.

I am surprised to see 7000 M. A gtx680 has only 3500 M

7B transistors seem fit for typical nVidia strategy: build it as large as TSMC will allow you.

And 2x the transistors for 1.5x the shaders makes sense considering these will have to be cores, which can do FP64 at 1/2 the FP32 rate, just like on GF100 and GF110, which requires more transistors per shader. And I wouldn't be surprised if they moved away from the superscalar execution again, just like on GF10 and GF110, which improves the utilization of the shaders in typical HPC code, but requires more control logic (i.e. more transistors) per shader, again. Support for ECC memory may add some transistors. There may also be larger caches and other tweaks we do not yet know about.

And considering the market for Quadros is still large compared to the market for pure Teslas, I'm sure these chips will still have graphics capabilities. This way they can be used for both markets, lowering design cost.

And if there's graphics hardware in there and the chip is faster in games than GK104 (which it should be at this transistor count, although by far less than a factor of 2), they will introduce consumer Geforce cards based on them.

The win margin on these high end cards is huge and since they already have the chip, it doesn't cost them much.

And the high end GPUs will be bought, just like in previous generations. Despite the fact that GK104 should be much more efficient (power and price) for games.

Name of the product: who knows, maybe even nVidia themselves have not decided this yet. Maybe straight GTX780 (which would make GTX680 look bad), or GTX685 (which would make big Kepler look weak) or "GTX680XT XXX Ultra-Monster-Core Golden Sample Edition" (which would make their other names look pretty good). Personally I'd bet the name of my sisters first-born on the latter ;)

Safe to say they gave just enough to get us excited didn't they!!!

And the dual GK104 will come, I'm sure. It will rock for gaming and it will sell. The purpose of building GK104 fast & efficient, yet not so big to reach 250 W again was probably to have a decent dual chip GPU again (without heavy binning and downclocking to stay below 300 W).

If they just expanded GF110 to 7B transistors, that would indeed yield ~1024 shaders. However, by getting rid of the hot clock they can save some transistors, as well as everything already implemented in "little Kepler".

Starting from GK104 we could remove the superscalar capability, i.e. 1/3 the shaders and as a first-order approximation 1/3 the transistors. That yields 1024 shaders for 2.33 billion transistors, so for 2048 shaders only 4.7 billion would be neccessary, ~2400 could be possible at 5.5 billion transistors. These would be FP32 only, so now add some of the suff I mentioned in my post above and I think it works out.

http://www.hardware.fr/news/12254/nvidia-gk110-7-milliards-transistors-gtc.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hardware%2Ffr%2Fnews+%28HardWare.fr+-+News%29

"As we noted in our review of the GeForce GTX 680, it is not based on the largest GPU family Kepler, which was delayed or replaced for unknown reasons, probably related to the problem of making the 28 nanometer process.

If Nvidia has decided to introduce initially the GeForce GTX 600 premium based on the "small" GK104, originally intended for the lower segment, this does not mean that the largest family of GPU was canceled. If it is not strictly necessary in terms of performance involved, Nvidia can not do without it for the professional market, especially the high performance computing. Indeed, the GK104 made many compromises at this level, and if it can offer excellent performance in video games, this is no longer the case when it comes to the use as an accelerator massively parallel.

Like GK104 (GTX 680) is actually the successor of GF104/114 (GTX 460/560 Ti), GK110 is the true successor of GF100/110 (GTX 480/580). This task will be to drive the point in terms of raw performance, which will also benefit the graphics, but also to continue the evolution towards greater flexibility for massively parallel computing.

Apart from its obvious purpose, little information flowing to date on this GPU. As a teaser, however Nvidia has slipped a little information in the description of the sessions of the GPU Technology Conference (GTC) to be held in San José from 14 to 17 May:

In this talk, Individuals from the GPU architecture and CUDA software Will Dive Into groups the features of the architecture for compute "Kepler" - NVIDIA's new 7-billion transistor GPU. From the processing cores reorganized with new instructions and processing capabilities, to An improved memory systems with faster processing and low-atomic ECC overhead, We Will explores how the Kepler GPU Achieves world leading performance and efficiency, and how it Enables Wholly new kinds of parallel To Be solved problems.
Without the GK110 is directly appointed, a new GPU Nvidia mentions Kepler no less than 7 billion transistors! To recap, the GK104 is satisfied with 3.5 billion while the largest GPU from AMD, Tahiti shows "only" 4.3 billion to the counter.

Compared to GK104, many features strictly related to professional computing will be introduced. Nvidia mentions here a memory subsystem for improved atomic operations more efficient and reduce overhead for ECC, already on the GF100/110 but with a relatively high cost. The new GPU will also have a capacity of double counting very high accuracy, while the holder is anecdotal GK104 with performance equivalent to 1/24th that of the single precision. Previously, Nvidia also put forward the explosion of energy efficiency in double precision calculation (x3) to position relative to the Fermi Kepler.

The GTX 680 already replaced after 2 months? Not really: except huge surprise, the GeForce GTX 690 to be presented shortly will be a bi-GPU card based on GK104. GeForce based GK110 undoubtedly emerge (GTX 685? GTX 780?), But probably not before school starts. In the immediate Nvidia probably wants above all to prepare professionals arrival, development cycles are very long, but also convince them of the benefits of GPU computing, at a time when Intel's response to Knights Corner and MIC architecture is no longer far away.

In all cases, we will be at the GTC and we will certainly bring you all the information related to the new GPUs and the CUDA platform 5!"
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I MAY have found something interesting, unless this is old news... But what do you notice that is interesting about this pic from Microcenter (probably old, and they forgot to change it)


http://www.microcenter.com/storefronts/nvidia/GTX_680%20promo/index.html

EDIT: It's either a 680 4GB reference version or............

2nd EDIT: http://www.techspot.com/news/47898-nvidia-reclaims-performance-crown-with-geforce-gtx-680.html

Same pic, but, can you spot the difference?

There is a 8+6 pin PCIe connector on the first image, while there is only a 6+6 pin on the second one.
Both of these pictures are not actual photographs of a real product, they are just rendered images for teasing your mind :)

And tease they did.... Knew it was of a 680, but with all the talk of them switching the 670 to 680, or whatever everyone was "rumor mill' talking about when it first came out, I still found it interesting none the less. Still looking forward to this release date though. :)

In 12 hours, in appears that they will be releasing (paper release at 680 rate) the lower end Keplers. Could be the 690 but I doubt it. Should be interesting to see the specs.

http://smooth-las-akam.istreamplanet.com/live/demo/nvid1/player.html
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Well here's GK110 Tesla style http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/5/15/nvidia-tesla-k20-ie-gk110-is-71-billion-transistors2c-300w-tdp2c-384-bit-interface.aspx

Whoever is good with math and figuring out specs based on knowmn Kepler config, would love to know how someone like this might be configured, it's "guessed" specs, etc. Won't be coming out til 4Q 2012, so a 7xx series GK110 is possible WAY WAY down the road (next spring maybe) I would ASSUME. Enjoy

And here's the whitepaper. Would love to know if any of those interesting new features (doubt will get them) would be beneficial to this project. Also, what do you guys think, could this be what they release for us as a 780 next year?
http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/kepler/NVIDIA-Kepler-GK110-Architecture-Whitepaper.pdf

...what do you guys think, could this be what they release for us as a 780 next year?

From Amorphous@NVIDIA, he saw us discussing K10 and K20 in regards to how this "confirmed" that GK104 was originally the 660Ti (680) and 660 (670).

His response, "Pssst. I've been saying that the GK104 has always been intended as our flagship GPU since launch. :thumbup: You're only willing to accept insider information when it confirms your belief."

So with this in mind, I personally still do not see a 685 coming out this year. Maybe next year (780), but not 2012. They're going to be making WAY too much money off selling K20s.

GK110 based Geforce should arrive in 2013.

Hello: The truth is that in the light of these returns, it is interesting to consider the use of in GPUGRID RADEON. Greetings.

From GTC 2012: AMD R7970 Preferred over NVIDIA Kepler in Real GPGPU Deployments?

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/from-gtc-2012-amd-r7970-preferred-over-nvidia-kepler-in-real-gpgpu-deployments-/15903.html#ixzz1vWnW4AJW

It's well known that radeon is faster. That's not the issue, the issue is the coding in opencl. Radeon does not help out the researchers code their work like NVIDIA (CUDA) does. From what I've read and heard, you're on your own. This is one reason why many prefer CUDA. They get help when asked.

Again, from what I've heard.

Hi, What I find is that AMD inmegable is getting the batteries. Greetings.

http://blogs.amd.com/developer/2012/05/21/opencl%E2%84%A2-1-2-and-c-static-kernel-language-now-available/

Hi, What I find is that AMD inmegable is getting the batteries.

Is that a machine translation? Sorry, I can't figure out any sense in this sentence.

MrS

BTW looking at the GK110 architecture, I can see that it is superscalar (in single precision) as well as the GK104, so only 960 of its 2880 shaders could be utilized by GPUGrid.

Isn't that "1920 out of 2880"? Assuming the superscalar capabilities can still not be used (newer architecture, newer software.. not sure this still holds true for Kepler).

MrS

I got your point.
I assumed that nVidia redesigned their shaders in a way that the shaders of the Kepler chip can do as much work as the shaders of the Fermi can do at doubled clock speed (to compensate the eliminated hot clocks). Apparently I wasn't right about it. (they put 3 times as much shaders to compensate the lack of hot clocks)
My 'reviewed' conclusion is that while it can utilize 2/3rd of its shaders, the Kepler performs as if it could utilize only the 1/3rd of its shaders, because of the eliminated hot clocks. On the other hand it's much more power efficient for the same reason.
Scaling the (theoretical) performance indices of the Kepler (GK104) and the Fermi (GF110) looks like:
(1536*2/3*1006)/(512*772*2)=1.3031
Apparently we get the same result, if we take out the "*2" from both performance indices at the same time:
(1536/3*1006)/(512*772)=1.3031

BTW: the lower clock speeds of Kepler chips are key to its power efficiency.

Depends on the chip. But not alot. 1300 seems to be about the limit. At this point, the locked voltage becomes an issue. However, realistically most are seeing 1200-1250.

My 680 can go up to about 1275, but I tend to keep it at 1200 w/ +100 memory (3100)

With a flashed BIOS and extreme cooling. They're getting into "hot clock" territory. Around 1400+