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Message 1918 - Posted: 29 Aug 2008 | 19:02:40 UTC
Last modified: 10 May 2009 | 11:18:09 UTC

Hi guys,

I'm going to suggest you what may very well be the most effective air cooling which you can currently buy :)
EDIT: this works for G9x cards, but doesn't fit the newer GTX 2xx ones. See next post for more (currently not very complete) information.

The initial condition:
- I had a 9800GTX+ with the stock cooler
- it ran at 50°C /30% fan at idle, very silent
- in 3D Mark it got distractingly loud
- with GPU-Grid it was at 70°C / 60% fan and was louder than my PC (Q6600@3GHz) and laptop together
- the sound was just rushing air, no high pitched whine like in the 3D Mark, but too loud for me

What I did:
- bought an Arctic Cooling Accelero S1 Rev. 2 for 15€
- mounting took some time, had to be careful with my new baby
- very minor incompatibility: had to cut it once near the slot bracket, because some strange plastic thing connects the card with the bracket for the 2nd slot
- attached 2 120 mm fans with cable ties
- I chose Arctic Cooling fans, because they're cheap, silent enough at lower RPMs and I can control them via PWM

The result:
- pictures 1 and 2
- now the card folds GPU-Grid at 53°C (24°C room) and my PC is as silent as it was before :)

Random thoughts:
- generally the Arctic Cooling TIM is surprisingly good
- however, exchanging it (e.g. for AS5) may improve temperatures a little further
- some small chips of the voltage regulation circuitry were contacted by the stock fan, now they don't have coolers any more
- I'm not sure how much the 70°C stock cooler actually cooled them
- now one of the fans is just a few cm away from them.. I guess it will be fine
- if you want to play it safe you may attach RAM sinks to them, which you'd have to get seperately

All in all I'm very pleased with this modification!

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Message 2119 - Posted: 6 Sep 2008 | 12:09:36 UTC
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For GTX 2xx cards there's a test of a powerful, silöent and high priced solution here, the Accelero Xtreme GTX 280. The PWMs did get quite hot during the test, but Furmark is much more demanding than GPU-Grid (and possibly any other real world CUDA app) and still more demanding than games.. so I don't think this is a show stopper.

The Scythe Musashi in its newer version and the Thermalright HR-03 GTX are also compatible. Might be nice to have a comparison of all three.

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Message 3358 - Posted: 26 Oct 2008 | 10:46:15 UTC
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Like to know of a cooler for the 260's & 280's too as I have a 280 running Linux thats almost to hot to the touch running @ 75c ... 0_o

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Message 3381 - Posted: 26 Oct 2008 | 17:47:25 UTC - in response to Message 3358.

As of now, both companys that produce gtx260 and gtx280 coolers have stopped shipping and promise to soon release new ones.

look out for scythe musashi (currently the holes not compatible, and nvio cooling missing!) and the thermalright hr-03 gtx. Both should be shipping soon, personaly i´ll get the musashi.

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Message 3387 - Posted: 26 Oct 2008 | 20:07:04 UTC - in response to Message 3358.
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Like to know of a cooler for the 260's & 280's too as I have a 280 running Linux thats almost to hot to the touch running @ 75c ... 0_o



look @ frozencpu.com..

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Message 3391 - Posted: 26 Oct 2008 | 21:54:27 UTC - in response to Message 3387.

Like to know of a cooler for the 260's & 280's too as I have a 280 running Linux thats almost to hot to the touch running @ 75c ... 0_o



look @ frozencpu.com..

gtx260/280


Thanks Frank, but I'm looking for Air Cooling, running in Windows is no problem as I can adjust the Fan speed to where you hardly feel any heat in the card. But running in Linux it runs to hot as far as I'm concerned but the card cost enough without having to spend 3 or 4 Hundred Liquid cooling it ... :)

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Message 3392 - Posted: 26 Oct 2008 | 22:03:45 UTC - in response to Message 3391.
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Thanks Frank, but I'm looking for Air Cooling, running in Windows is no problem as I can adjust the Fan speed to where you hardly feel any heat in the card.


yes - didn't find that one?

D-Tek_FuZion_GFX_2_Uni-Sink_NVIDIA_260_and_280_Series_Passive_Cooling_Block

don't know if this will help much.

too bad if there is nothing to control fans on bogomips...

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Message 3398 - Posted: 26 Oct 2008 | 23:42:48 UTC
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On bogomips, you mean Linux?

I can control the fan of my 8800GTS 512 with nvclock -f -F 50 for example, that works. Unfortunately it did not work on my 9800GT...
That card isn't even recognized correctly.
I replaced the noisy stock cooling with an AC S1 rev 2 + Scythe SFLEX 1200 @ 9v. Right now its running at 42°C while crunching PS3GRID, amazing, hm?

I plan to replace the stock cooler of my overclocked 8800GTS with an AC Accelero Twin Turbo, to reduce the noise. Actually its not really load at 50% PWM duty, but it can be easily heard and its a little annoying in the night.
From the specs the Twin Turbo should be able to easily cool it, reviews report its very silent even at full rpm...

The card is working in a Lian Li v350b mini tower, where there is only ~13cm of free space between motherboard tray and the disk cage. As the cooler is only 10.3cm high I think it should fit in :)

I'll update you if it is a good alternative (eg. for small towers) to the bigger S1

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Message 3400 - Posted: 27 Oct 2008 | 1:54:10 UTC - in response to Message 3392.
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D-Tek_FuZion_GFX_2_Uni-Sink_NVIDIA_260_and_280_Series_Passive_Cooling_Block

don't know if this will help much.


All that is for is to hold a liquid cooling waterblock ... :)

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Message 3429 - Posted: 27 Oct 2008 | 22:57:24 UTC - in response to Message 3400.

All that is for is to hold a liquid cooling waterblock ... :)


Yeah, almost. It's meant to cool the RAM and voltage reglation, once you remove the stock cooler and apply a water block onto the GPU.

Maybe I should have mentioned it in the frist post.. water cooling is kind of nice, but me and probably most others are looking for air cooling.

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Message 4975 - Posted: 28 Dec 2008 | 1:28:31 UTC - in response to Message 4931.

my nvidia 8500gt is going throught the roof hitting more than 114 celcius
am worreied that the chip will blow

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Message 4982 - Posted: 28 Dec 2008 | 4:18:10 UTC - in response to Message 4975.

my nvidia 8500gt is going throught the roof hitting more than 114 celcius
am worreied that the chip will blow


Geez. You wanna fry me up some food on that thing?? 114C is way out of spec. I couldn't find the temp Nvidia says is the max, but I would imagine it's no more than 100C or so -- though it's probably best to keep it under 90C if you want it to last more than a few weeks. Is the card functioning normally under these temps? Open up your case (both sides if possible) and see what the temp shows...

BTW, that card is very slow in terms of GPUGRID requirements. 16 stream processors will take days to finish any WU's. The current deadline is 4 days, which I think you will have trouble finishing even 1 under that constraint.

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Message 5006 - Posted: 28 Dec 2008 | 14:41:18 UTC

114°C is way too much! I think at 120 or 125°C the driver should perform an emergency shut down to avoid destroying the chip. I suppose you card is passively cooled? Otherwise the fan is either defect or already running at 100%.

And, as Klat already said, your card is too slow for GPU-Grid and you'll probably have troubles to meet the deadline. You may want to take a look at GPU-Seti, they can make better use of slower cards. You'd still need to improve cooling, though.

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Message 9623 - Posted: 10 May 2009 | 23:10:07 UTC - in response to Message 2119.

The Scythe Musashi in its newer version and the Thermalright HR-03 GTX are also compatible. Might be nice to have a comparison of all three.


The HR-03 is, from my experience, very effective. It also comes with a whole bundle of little aluminium heatsinks to put on all the memory chips it doesn't fully cover. It is however large, very large, it will interfere/cover more slots that the standard two-slot cooler, so you can't SLI it easily--with two such coolers you couldn't SLI at all.

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Message 10471 - Posted: 10 Jun 2009 | 18:40:44 UTC

Here is some info on a brand new kooling technology.

See www.xpressar.com

- Utilize micro compressor and refrigerant to cool PC, to maximize over-clocking limitation and performance.
- 20ºC cooler than liquid cooling System
- Equipped with intelligent IC controller to prevent condensation
- Thermal resistance can be <0.02 ºC/W under 100% loading.
- High performance micro compressor uses standard 12V power
- Small, low noise, high performance technology.

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Message 10518 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009 | 22:19:41 UTC - in response to Message 10471.

- 50W extra power use for the compressor
- currently only for CPU, no GPU mounting found on HP
- cooling a GPU or several would require a much larger compressor and heat exchanger anyway
- "rough" english, sounds chinese-style

-> not recommended

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Message 10806 - Posted: 23 Jun 2009 | 23:33:12 UTC - in response to Message 10518.

Air Compression!
Kool idea ;)
Pity all the manufakturers are going bust.

I was almost using a GTX 250 (yeah I’m lying Nvidia, its a 9800GTX+ but in a new shiny box) until I succumb to the evil charm of another sort of fake, the GTX 260 (196). Anyhow, the 250/9800GTX+ has a well designed fan and grill for air flow, but has a big metal plate stuck to the back of it! So the top/front is nice and cool but the back is roasting!

If I decide to keep it, I will either stick a heatsink to the back and put it in a case with a side fan, or superglue a slim line heatsink and fan to it (with some compound in the middle).

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Message 10928 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009 | 0:14:09 UTC - in response to Message 10806.

get some tubing and hook it up a air conditioner or fringe problem solved...

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Message 10935 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009 | 21:05:19 UTC - in response to Message 10928.

Except if you're concerned with electricity cost.

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Message 10962 - Posted: 4 Jul 2009 | 10:30:14 UTC - in response to Message 10935.

Unfortunately my MSI Mobo did not like the second card (only a 9800GT) and duely popped (Amps perhaps). New board on route, but with a corsair 550 PSU. You cant beat a 5 year warenty on a PSU. The PSU is also more energy efficient, about 86% normal load (240V). I dont like paying for electric. This will allow me to run an 8800GT + a 9800GT (or the GTX 250). I dont fancy paying for a Corsair 750 and the electric for two GTX250's.

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Message 12213 - Posted: 30 Aug 2009 | 2:26:50 UTC - in response to Message 10962.
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i just found a new method of reducing the heat in room:


SOCKS!

if you have a couple of old pairs of socks or cloth that you can have close to your exhaust, they make for good heat absorbers. i just started doing this were the exhaust for my laptop is pretty hot running boinc, i've put a pair of socks at the exhaust slot and the heat from the laptop is absorb by the socks and keeps the temperature down. noise dampening too.

crazy but inventive.

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Message 12216 - Posted: 30 Aug 2009 | 10:13:00 UTC - in response to Message 12213.

Yes, crazy. And you forgot one thing: the socks have to be old, but freshly taken off! So they're still wet.. the more, the better. Now the hot air enters, evaporates the liquid and thus cools down. The problem is that this process is limited by the speed you can provide new fluid soaked socks and the relative humidity in your room.
If the socks get dry all you do is build up the heat within your computer, which increases the power consumption of chips (and thus generates even more heat) and at the end of the day the evil thermodynamics dictate that the heat has to be transferred into the room anyway ;)

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Message 13016 - Posted: 5 Oct 2009 | 1:55:24 UTC - in response to Message 12216.
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adding a fan using some Jerry wiring(zip ties) and put a extra case fan on the backside of the cpu heat pipe tower can decrease the thermal temp of the cpu because of the airflow being twice as strong compare to a front fan...

cpu temps are a few degree Celsius cooler... every little bit helps... average cooled down by 5C from 55C to 50/49 c under 100% use.

may make the energy use jump a bit, but cooler temps is good price to pay.

Dell xps 420 stock q6600 cooler...

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Message 13146 - Posted: 11 Oct 2009 | 23:26:17 UTC - in response to Message 13016.
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From experience I would actually expect your total energy consumption to stay about the same or perhaps drop!

The cost of running one CPU fan is often more than one running one CPU fan plus one or possibly two case fans, especially with a big GPU inside the case. This is because the cost of running one CPU fan very fast is more than running 2 or 3 fans fairly slowly. It's like a car, take it over 60mph and you start using increasing amounts of fuel per mile. It takes a lot more effort to run a fan very fast. The CPU will also draw more energy when its running hot. The same for all the other components.

If you like quiet, get big fans that pull plenty of air while running sloooowww.

By the way, stock coolers are not good value for money, but if you have a Dell who knows what else would actually fit!

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Message 13148 - Posted: 12 Oct 2009 | 2:57:37 UTC - in response to Message 13146.

From experience I would actually expect your total energy consumption to stay about the same or perhaps drop!

The cost of running one CPU fan is often more than one running one CPU fan plus one or possibly two case fans, especially with a big GPU inside the case. This is because the cost of running one CPU fan very fast is more than running 2 or 3 fans fairly slowly. It's like a car, take it over 60mph and you start using increasing amounts of fuel per mile. It takes a lot more effort to run a fan very fast. The CPU will also draw more energy when its running hot. The same for all the other components.

If you like quiet, get big fans that pull plenty of air while running sloooowww.

By the way, stock coolers are not good value for money, but if you have a Dell who knows what else would actually fit!


correct, the holes are not to atx standard.... but here's the thing, none of the fans are PWM and their are 4 fans in the case now, 2 intake, 1 exhaust, and one sitting behind the stock cooler.

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Message 13390 - Posted: 6 Nov 2009 | 19:05:12 UTC - in response to Message 13148.
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Ok, my cpu right now with it being about 63 F outside is running under full load at 40C-45C, thats down 10 Degrees from normal mid-day operating temps....

and i'm pretty sure the operating temp last night dropped under 40C.... i'll take a temperature reading tonight to see. low's 40's, upper 30's is the prediction. and my room turns into an ice box, but i can live with it for about another week.

Football season of camera work made my skin thick to the cold weather (except my hands).....

oh yeah, my gpu temp is about 8 C below normal gpugrid processing temp.

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Message 13396 - Posted: 7 Nov 2009 | 2:41:11 UTC - in response to Message 13390.

Ok, my cpu right now with it being about 63 F outside is running under full load at 40C-45C, thats down 10 Degrees from normal mid-day operating temps....

and i'm pretty sure the operating temp last night dropped under 40C.... i'll take a temperature reading tonight to see. low's 40's, upper 30's is the prediction. and my room turns into an ice box, but i can live with it for about another week.

Football season of camera work made my skin thick to the cold weather (except my hands).....

oh yeah, my gpu temp is about 8 C below normal gpugrid processing temp.


highest temp of the 4 cores.. 40 c at 9:40 pm est.

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