Message boards : News : An important note for Windows XP users
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Dear all, | |
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Matt, | |
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I appreciate your efforts | |
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Thank you for explaining why you are doing what you are doing and I personally greatly appreciate you letting us use windows XP for another year. | |
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Thank you for explaining why you are doing what you are doing and I personally greatly appreciate you letting us use windows XP for another year. +1 | |
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Good to know. I actually obtained a copy of WinXP specifically for GPUGrid. I was going to try to create a dual-boot machine. Doesn't seem worth it to put the resources into building a new rig now. I'll just build onto what I've got. | |
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Regarding the recent WannaCrypt attacks, Microsoft has released a vulnerability patch for older operating systems as well. | |
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Regarding the recent WannaCrypt attacks, Microsoft has released a vulnerability patch for older operating systems as well. Thank you Zoltan! I appreciate it! ____________ Cruncher/Learner in progress. | |
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Thank you Zoltan! I appreciate it! +1 | |
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Chapeau! | |
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Stefan wrote: Matt has effectively left our team so now we have hired a new person to work on Acemd and it's replacement in Acemd3. As you may remember, last April Matt announced that Windows XP support will definitely be stopped in April 2018. I strongly had the feeling that this was a decision made by himself, as he probably planned not take his time to put together another crunching software for XP. Now that Matt has left GPUGRID, I hope that the team and the new person see the situation differently, and that the crunchers who still use Windows XP for good reason will get a crunching software beyond April 2018. | |
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Stefan wrote: I agree that support should continue for xp as long as the video cards that it supports are still relevant to the project. Here is an example of an obsolete computer, running an obsolete operating system, with an obsolete video driver in the top 10 in the performance tab: Rank User name Average (h) Total crunched (WU) GPU description of fastest setup 1 Phil 5.08235 17 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (4095MB) driver: 384.94 2 Retvari Zoltan 6.03388 121 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti (4095MB) driver: 358.50 3 PappaLitto 6.10000 54 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (4095MB) driver: 385.41 4 Bedrich Hajek 6.13636 11 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti (4095MB) driver: 355.82 5 Thurgwood 6.22727 11 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (4095MB) driver: 382.33 6 Tobi 6.35294 17 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (4095MB) driver: 385.41 7 bcavnaugh 6.45224 67 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (4095MB) driver: 378.92 8 Trotador 6.57273 22 [2] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (4095MB) driver: 370.28 9 Jackal 6.67368 38 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (4095MB) driver: 385.28 10 Drallin 6.74375 16 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (4095MB) driver: 385.41 It's actually number 4 right now, ahead of a few (not all) pascals, but still relevant. Did they hire the new technical people, yet? | |
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Regarding the recent WannaCrypt attacks, Microsoft has released a vulnerability patch for older operating systems as well.Sorry for the much belated reply to this... Another way to block wanacry is to block netbios ports, both incoming from the internet and outgoing to the internet on a firewall. There is no reason to have those ports open anyway. I have had those ports blocked to/from the internet for well over ten years, and I have not noticed any issues from having them blocked. The fact that I had them blocked may have prevented problems. I am on the side of retiring the app for XP, and it seems that the project has decided that due to the fact that so few users are running XP at this point. As a software engineer, I agree with this. The company that I worked for dropped XP support a few years back. XP simply will not run software developed with the latest compilers, and supporting such machines becomes a nightmare scenario I personally have an XP x64 box, but there are no longer even Windows Defender updates for it. It is a dual core Opteron machine on which I ran this project; however, these days, it consumes a lot of power in comparison to newer machines for far less computational power even if I did put a newer GPU in it. If people still want to run a machine like that and they have the technical knowledge to do so, I suggest wiping the machine and installing a Linux variant - or if the budget allows, buy an OEM version of 7 or 8.1 or, perhaps, 10 (assuming 10 still supports the hardware) and install that. However, with aged hardware, Linux would be a better choice, IMO. ____________ | |
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I agree that support should continue for xp as long as the video cards that it supports are still relevant to the project.Me too. Here is an example of an obsolete computer, running an obsolete operating system, with an obsolete video driver in the top 10 in the performance tab:My WinXPx64 host is number 2 on this list. Did they hire the new technical people, yet?There's no sign of that. | |
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I agree that support should continue for xp as long as the video cards that it supports are still relevant to the project.I, too ! Did they hire the new technical people, yet? There's no sign of that. Let's hence hope that they will have someone on bord before April 2018 for prolongation of the crunching software version for WinXP | |
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Xp will stop as announced. The number of Xp hosts is very small compared to the rest. If you can please update to Win10. | |
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I mean, we will compile under Windows10 and make no tests on WindowsXP. If it works, then ok. | |
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Xp will stop as announced. The number of Xp hosts is very small compared to the rest. This is bad news, indeed :-( | |
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I mean, we will compile under Windows10 and make no tests on WindowsXP. If it works, then ok. well, it will definitely NOT work under WindowsXP as long as there isn't a seperate crunching software for XP (like acemd.849-65.exe right now for XP - in contrast to acemd-918-80.exe for Win7/10). | |
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Well... on the bright side we still have until April at least! | |
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Ubuntu uses like 7% of my CPU by the time tasks are done. | |
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Ubuntu uses like 7% of my CPU by the time tasks are done. and this is exactly the bad thing: since no SWAN_SYNC is possible with Linux, the CPU usage of GPUGRID computations is far away from what it could be :-( Hence, Linux is not a full replacement for Windows XP :-( | |
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"The GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 support Windows 7 and above. There are no plans to add driver support Windows XP." Manuel Guzman, Nvidia Customer Care, November 2016. | |
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Xp will stop as announced. The number of Xp hosts is very small compared to the rest. This is normal, in 2018. A lot of sw house and hw manufacturer dropped out xp time ago. | |
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It is, but it's *not* normal that every later Microsoft OS is 5-15% slower (regarding GPUGrid) on the same hardware than Windows XP (due to WDDM). Microsoft is aware of this bottleneck, and maybe they will fix it in some future Windows 10 release, but it surely need a new NV driver and perhaps a new GPUGrid app also (there's a very little chance for the latter, due to lack of crew).Xp will stop as announced. The number of Xp hosts is very small compared to the rest. A lot of sw house and hw manufacturer dropped out xp time ago.There are a lot of Point Of Sale terminals which still use Windows XP (x86 BTW), these are still supported by Microsoft until april 2019. My Windows XP x64 hosts are dedicated for GPUGrid use only, from this point of view they are very similar to POS terminals, so I don't think that your argument is valid for my hosts. | |
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FYI: at the release of GTX 1080, I've successfully "hacked" the then-fresh NV driver (with CUDA 8.0) for Windows XP (x64), and used my GTX 1080 under Windows XP (x64) for crunching Einstein@home tasks. It doesn't worked with GPUGrid though. So there's no "physical" obstacle of using the GTX 10 series under Windows XP it just made up by NVidia."The GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 support Windows 7 and above. There are no plans to add driver support Windows XP."Manuel Guzman, Nvidia Customer Care, November 2016. | |
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Ubuntu uses like 7% of my CPU by the time tasks are done. That's excellent for any GPU app that has a data set of this size. Many BOINC GPU apps are much higher than his. The ones that use very little CPU are small data sets, usually some math project. | |
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Linux IS the perfect replacement for XP whether CPU usage or not, it still uses more of your GPU power compared to windows 7/10. Is it sad XP support is stopped? Yeah it is. But it's time to move on. Like I said, Linux is a good replacement for after April. | |
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Any estimate of the date when this is going to happen? | |
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It's already happened, of course you will not notice anything until the next generation of GpuGrid Apps are released because current Apps support XP. | |
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It's already happened, of course you will not notice anything until the next generation of GpuGrid Apps are released because current Apps support XP.No. Windows XP users will notice that the present CUDA6.5 app (v8.49) will not work any longer at all after x April 2018. The question is the exact date (x) when it will happen, as it was not declared in the original post and ever since. | |
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It's already happened, of course you will not notice anything until the next generation of GpuGrid Apps are released because current Apps support XP.No. Windows XP users will notice that the present CUDA6.5 app (v8.49) will not work any longer at all after x April 2018. I can't see any reason to withdraw the Cuda 6.5 App until new generation of Apps are released. Wouldn't that mean that CC3.0 cards won't work on any OS? | |
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It's already happened, of course you will not notice anything until the next generation of GpuGrid Apps are released because current Apps support XP.No. Windows XP users will notice that the present CUDA6.5 app (v8.49) will not work any longer at all after x April 2018. The largest possible value for x is 17, because that's the date that app was deployed for the public to use. In fact, it will be x-t, where t is the time used for internal testing between licensing and building the new app, and making it available to the public. From what I remember, that was pretty quick. | |
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yea, would be great if the GPUGRID people would let us know the exact date beforehand. | |
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It's already happened, of course you will not notice anything until the next generation of GpuGrid Apps are released because current Apps support XP.No. Windows XP users will notice that the present CUDA6.5 app (v8.49) will not work any longer at all after x April 2018. I agree with this. Unless there's a new app version that doesn't support XP the current one should still work unless sabotaged by an admin. | |
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The problem is to do with software licensing: the app will simply refuse to run without any new 'sabotage' by anyone. | |
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The problem is to do with software licensingHowever, I can't imagine that the license fee it that high ... If the GPUGRID people told us how much it costs, maybe some XP crunchers would be willing to contribute | |
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Seriously? | |
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I recommend Lubuntu 17.10. It worked always for me with BOINC. As a user wrote in the forums over in SETI: | |
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I recommend Lubuntu 17.10. It worked always for me with BOINC. As a user wrote in the forums over in SETI: Here are my thoughts on Lubuntu 17.10, which I am using now on a Ryzen 1700 PC, since Ubuntu 16.04 did not work for that build, and Ubuntu 17.10 had problems with the Wayland server not working with X11, which I needed for access over the LAN. https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,40728_offset,0#570471 It works, but lacks some features of Ubuntu. I would actually wait for Ubuntu 18.04, due out in a month, which should fix the access problems I faced. | |
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it would still be great if someone from GPUGRID could give us the information at which exact date XP support will be stopped | |
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I've reanimated my Windows XP x64 on my host with a GTX 1080 (with the latest Windows XP driver v368.81). (Don't be surprised if its page lists this host have Windows 10 - It has dual boot, but both OS starts the same BOINC manager, so the displayed OS depends on what I've booted into.) It's happily crunching CUDA4.2 CUDA5.0 and OpenCL tasks for SETI@Home. When it will have a lot of results, with a little luck I will be able check its performance against other GTX 1080's under different OS.FYI: at the release of GTX 1080, I've successfully "hacked" the then-fresh NV driver (with CUDA 8.0) for Windows XP (x64), and used my GTX 1080 under Windows XP (x64) for crunching Einstein@home tasks. It doesn't worked with GPUGrid though. So there's no "physical" obstacle of using the GTX 10 series under Windows XP it just made up by NVidia."The GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 support Windows 7 and above. There are no plans to add driver support Windows XP."Manuel Guzman, Nvidia Customer Care, November 2016. | |
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Well, it's 18th April, and the Windows XP app still working.Windows XP users will notice that the present CUDA6.5 app (v8.49) will not work any longer at all after x April 2018.The largest possible value for x is 17, because that's the date that app was deployed for the public to use. I ponder over how much longer it will work? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? The longer is the better from my point of view... | |
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Message boards : News : An important note for Windows XP users