Message boards : Graphics cards (GPUs) : 6.3.21
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6.3.21 for Windows x86 seems OK x 2 installs. | |
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Here are the changes: | |
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6.3.21 for windows x86 is running well, I'm beginning some more extensive tests now to see if I can break it. | |
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The Linux one is again i686, so it wont get WUs from PS3GRID, but crunch those that are already on the system. Why they are not giving out x86-64 compiled clients? Grrr :-( | |
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The Linux i686 will also not d/l any 64 bit work besides the grid so it is totally useless to me :( | |
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Running fine and dandy on Vista32, everything seems good. It appears stable in operation with 2CPU's plus 1GPU, no ncpus settings.....Need to wait for a 64Bit Linux though :( | |
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Running fine and dandy on Vista32, everything seems good. It appears stable in operation with 2CPU's plus 1GPU, no ncpus settings.....Need to wait for a 64Bit Linux though :( Ditto here on Vista 64 bit. 4CPU's + 1GPU. :) ____________ | |
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Benchmark problem on first run and checking for internet access. | |
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Seems to run okay for me so far on 5 Box's with 5 Wu's running with no setting set for ncpu's, 0%-1% CPU Usage, Win XP Pro 64-Bit all 5 Box's. | |
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Looking good so far. Thanks for the detailed write-up, Keith! Almost worth a FAQ entry, though most of the comments are probably short-lived, as it would only confuse new crunchers to tell them what they don't have to bother about any more ;) Krunchin-Keith wrote: If you want you can reduce cpus, so GPUGRID get one cpu core to itself instead of sharing, do this in your project global preferences, either on the website or under advanced settings in boinc manager. Change the use 100% of processors to 50% for HT/DUAL or 75% for Quads. This will run benchmarks and reduce your cpu task usage by one, leaving 1 cpu core for the CUDA/CPU task. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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There is some new behaviour: 6.3.21 made a huge increase of my cache size, which seems to be more inline with my settings (1.25 days). Also there was this message: 01/11/2008 12:23:55||[error] Proposed work request 447323.836182 bigger than max 436320.000000 Is the max value project specific (i.e. a server setting) or is it a general BOINC limit? Never mind If it's the former, if it's the latter than 6.3.21 would not obey the BOINC rules :D MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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There is some new behaviour: 6.3.21 made a huge increase of my cache size, which seems to be more inline with my settings (1.25 days). Also there was this message: I'm getting this message proposed work request bigger than max message as well, but the cache is quickly growing way more than my setting of 1 day. I'm going back to 6.3.19 for now. | |
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PoorBoy, if you're getting 0-1% CPU usage something is wrong and you'll see greatly increased crunching times, like you're already saying. With 4+1 tasks my CPU usage is 8 - 13% now, though it did go up to ~20%. And I'd like to draw your attention to Keiths post: I set the Box's to 3 ncpu's & so far they've held to 4 Wu's, 3 Regular CPU Wu's & 1 ... I think I know why the GPU was using 0%-1% only, I'm running that goofy FreeHal Project a little and the runner.exe they use is using up to 25% itself thus denying the GPU any CPU Resource, or so I think thats whats happening. I'm going to stop running that Project shortly so then things may straighten themselves out a little ... :) | |
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There is some new behaviour: 6.3.21 made a huge increase of my cache size, which seems to be more inline with my settings (1.25 days). Also there was this message: I do not know what this is. What project is the request for ? If you don't know, Try NNW for each project one at a time, for a short while, and see if the message goes away. When it does, turn requests for that project back on, if message resumes that would indicate which project. | |
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PoorBoy, if you're getting 0-1% CPU usage something is wrong and you'll see greatly increased crunching times, like you're already saying. With 4+1 tasks my CPU usage is 8 - 13% now, though it did go up to ~20%. And I'd like to draw your attention to Keiths post: Yes, some other apps do not behave well and hog cpu's. Can you tell me about the FreeHal app. Is it a wrapper app ? Does it use JAVA ? What system base priority does it run at ? I have seen similar behavior with malaria control optimizer which is JAVA app inside the wrapper. When it runs, the gpu app sits idle not getting any cpu, accumulating extra elapsed gpu time. Other malaria apps are OK. | |
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For me, it was for all 3 projects I participate in (here, CPDN and SAH). I forgot to mention in my previous message that I got a different max value in the error message. | |
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Different max value for each project ? What values did you get ? | |
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Can you tell me about the FreeHal app. It uses a Wrapper & a runner.exe *32 that doesn't play nice at all, you have to manually stop the Process when exiting BOINC or it stays running .. Don't know about Jave but there was a lot of talk about it using Pearl ??? The Wrapper & runner both seem to run @ Low Priority though .. PS: According to the Project the Wu's are supposed to be a non cpu-intensive type or something like that. I informed them already that their full of it ... :) | |
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It's the same max value for all projects. I've already rolled back to 6.3.19, so I don't have the exact value anymore, but I think it was 395xxx (I'm sure about it being in the three hundred thousand range, not as certain about the 95xxx). | |
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I cannot reproduce. What is your connect interval and additional days ? Are there any other settings that might have changed from deault that might affect this ? Sorry but without more info it is hard to help. First off when starting client, check these messages, be sure client is using correct preferences and limits: 11/1/2008 12:21:00 PM||General prefs: from malariacontrol.net (last modified 12-Oct-2008 10:31:26) 11/1/2008 12:21:00 PM||Computer location: home 11/1/2008 12:21:00 PM||General prefs: using separate prefs for home 11/1/2008 12:21:00 PM||Reading preferences override file 11/1/2008 12:21:00 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 1535.04MB 11/1/2008 12:21:00 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 1842.05MB 11/1/2008 12:21:00 PM||Preferences limit disk usage to 5.28GB Does the number reported in any way coincide with a memory or disk limit ? | |
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I switched to 6.3.21 yesterday and it seems to be having a bit of teething problems. I was also in the process of switching from 3x+1 as my primary CPU project to abc and simap happened to hit. | |
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Here're the messages when I last started the client right after I rolled back to .19 from .21: 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11] 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx 01/11/2008 08:23:24||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Editon, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00) 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Memory: 3.25 GB physical, 7.07 GB virtual 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Disk: 5.00 GB total, 1.30 GB free 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Local time is UTC -4 hours 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Not using a proxy 01/11/2008 08:23:24||CUDA devices found 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Coprocessor: GeForce 8800 GT (1) 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Version change (6.3.21 -> 6.3.19) 01/11/2008 08:23:24|climateprediction.net|URL: http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID: 864551; location: (none); project prefs: default 01/11/2008 08:23:24|SETI@home|URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 4348304; location: (none); project prefs: default 01/11/2008 08:23:24|GPUGRID|URL: http://www.ps3grid.net/; Computer ID: 11763; location: (none); project prefs: default 01/11/2008 08:23:24||General prefs: from climateprediction.net (last modified 19-Oct-2008 21:54:46) 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Host location: none 01/11/2008 08:23:24||General prefs: using your defaults 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 1663.21MB 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 3326.42MB 01/11/2008 08:23:24||Preferences limit disk usage to 1.30GB My connect interval is 0 day, for 1 additional day. Since I don't recall exactly the max value, it may have coincided with (24 hours/day)*(3600 seconds/hour) * 16. This unknown factor of 16 is very much speculative though. On a slightly different topic, I haven't said anything about the disk usage limit before, but I've noticed ever since I started GPUGrid (and thus the development clients) that the disk usage limit is supposedly set to some strange number. I've got a 5GB partition for BOINC and BOINC alone. Usage limit is set to 5GB, leave 0.001GB free, use at most 100%, yet the startup message indicates that the disk limit is set at 1.3GB. However, on the disc usage tab BOINC reports that it is using 3.68GB, with 1.29GB free but unavailable to BOINC. | |
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Correction to my previous message: *16 should be roughly the amount of work BOINC wants to get, *4 was roughly where the max value was. | |
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Are you getting this error in 6.3.19 ? If only 6.3.21, I need the messages from that version. messages from another version do not help much. Do you get same values from both versions ? Check your preferences at CPdN, make sure they are correct. Try changing them slightly say to 4GB, then update project, and see how much the limit changes. Change them back and update again. Do the limits go back to previous value ? [edit] Sorry, I missed this line, see bold above. What does you o/s report is free, is it the same number ? Mine shows correct value in both o/s and 6.3.21. My memory limits also come out correct for amount of memory and percentages I have specified. I see nothing wrong with the cleint and it's limits. Your limit is set to 1.30GB, because that is all there is free. Something else is taking up the space. My o/s shows 151GB Free on drive C. 11/1/2008 12:20:58 PM||Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 4.85 GB virtual 11/1/2008 12:20:58 PM||Disk: 226.75 GB total, 151.15 GB free << BOINC says same. | |
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I switched to 6.3.21 yesterday and it seems to be having a bit of teething problems. I was also in the process of switching from 3x+1 as my primary CPU project to abc and simap happened to hit. You would get something like this if last time you ran the project they had different length work units. Probably what has happened is the DCF is off. Look at the properties tab and see what the DCF (Duration Correction Factor) is for each project. Ideal is 1. What happens is the server uses that value to adjust amount of work. If it is real low from previous use, it thinks your computer is real fast and send you a lot of work. What will happen is as you run this work, it will self correct. When you run a project all the time you do not have this problem, as if project changes the length or factor they use for an estimate, you system would already have corrected. When not running for a period, you might miss this and then when you resume the numbers are out of whack. BOINC will correct for this and slowly settle back to normal. | |
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This are the message from 6.3.21: 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11] 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx 01/11/2008 17:02:28||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Editon, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00) 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Memory: 3.25 GB physical, 7.07 GB virtual 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Disk: 5.00 GB total, 1.29 GB free 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Local time is UTC -4 hours 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Not using a proxy 01/11/2008 17:02:28||CUDA devices found 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Coprocessor: GeForce 8800 GT (1) 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Version change (6.3.19 -> 6.3.21) 01/11/2008 17:02:28|climateprediction.net|URL: http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID: 864551; location: (none); project prefs: default 01/11/2008 17:02:28|SETI@home|URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 4348304; location: (none); project prefs: default 01/11/2008 17:02:28|GPUGRID|URL: http://www.ps3grid.net/; Computer ID: 11763; location: (none); project prefs: default 01/11/2008 17:02:28||General prefs: from climateprediction.net (last modified 19-Oct-2008 21:54:46) 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Host location: none 01/11/2008 17:02:28||General prefs: using your defaults 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 1663.21MB 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 3326.42MB 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Preferences limit disk usage to 1.29GB 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Running CPU benchmarks 01/11/2008 17:02:28||Suspending computation - running CPU benchmarks 01/11/2008 17:02:59||Benchmark results: 01/11/2008 17:02:59|| Number of CPUs: 4 01/11/2008 17:02:59|| 3131 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU 01/11/2008 17:02:59|| 6679 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU 01/11/2008 17:03:00|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3ivolc_l3d2_2000_80_06001976_2 using hadcm3i version 602 01/11/2008 17:03:00|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3ivolc_l3c7_2000_80_06001971_1 using hadcm3i version 602 01/11/2008 17:03:00|GPUGRID|Restarting task JouG342-GPUTEST4-3-10-acemd_0 using acemd version 648 01/11/2008 17:03:00|SETI@home|Restarting task 04se08ab.30108.12751.14.8.98_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603 01/11/2008 17:03:00|SETI@home|Restarting task 04se08ad.29656.206627.7.8.147_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603 01/11/2008 17:03:40||[error] Proposed work request 11055335.522265 bigger than max 349059.490560 The OS reports 1.29GB free, just as BOINC is reporting in the message log. The BOINC files on this partition are occupying 3.68GB according to the OS, which agrees with the amount as reported in disc space tab on the client. Clearly, however, 3.68GB is larger than the 1.29GB that is supposedly the limit according the message log. Incidentally, 1.29GB is also the amount reported in the disc space tab as free space that is unavailable to BOINC. The max value of 349059s is rather close to 4 days (345600s), as I speculated in my previous message. The requested amount of work of 11055335s is roughly 128 days (11059200s). Sorry I got this wrong before. | |
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OK, two things. #1 the [error] bug has been found, the developer hopes. Unfortunately you have to wait for next client since it is over requesting work. Best I can say is downgrade or try a smaller additional days value like 0.39 to 0.79. Thanks for your help on answering questions about this. #2 I'll pass along the disk limit and see what happens, maybe when the numbers get small enough something is transposed. I discovered the use at most is reduced by 7% (don't know why) for the limit. Since you have a 5GB partition and want to use all of it, I would raise this number, it won't hurt as the other limit is 100% of space and you want to use the whole partition. See if that helps or changes anything. [edit] now that I think on this more, I think boinc uses the correct value, the message just reports the wrong value. Otherwise your current usage of 3.68 would be over the limit and you would not be getting more work. | |
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OK - so as we all understand - is 6.3.21 any better than any other client .... | |
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You would get something like this if last time you ran the project they had different length work units. Probably what has happened is the DCF is off. Look at the properties tab and see what the DCF (Duration Correction Factor) is for each project. Ideal is 1. A new button! Cool, I never saw the "properties" tab before. It is not on my 5.10.xx clients. And you are correct. My DCF for ABC is 5.2, and my client got about ... 5.2 times as many work units as it should. Thanks for teaching me a new trick. | |
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OK - so as we all understand - is 6.3.21 any better than any other client .... Yes, It runs proper tasks. I've had zero failure since install to run correct amount of cpu and cuda tasks. It does have 2 minor bugs we have found. See rest of conversation. Which are in those clients also, they just may not show up unless certain circumstances exist. | |
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.... This has been fixed. There were some places in the client where the disk amounts are being multiplied by 1e9 which is 1,000,000,000 and not the correct gigabyte amount of 2^20 which is 1,073,741,824. | |
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You would get something like this if last time you ran the project they had different length work units. Probably what has happened is the DCF is off. Look at the properties tab and see what the DCF (Duration Correction Factor) is for each project. Ideal is 1. The properties button is new in the last few releases. Available on both the projects and tasks tab. Yes, that would do it. It will self correct over time or your can fix yourself if you know how to edit client_state.xml note: This has nothing to do with this specific client. It just happened at exact time the client was updated that projects were switched to one with a out of whack DCF | |
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Brilliant! Thanks for passing along the issues I've found, and I'm glad I'm contributing to the testing, however small a part it is :) | |
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OK - so as we all understand - is 6.3.21 any better than any other client .... I agree, it does seem to run the Proper amount of Task's, but I did find 1 Box this morning running only 2 Regular Wu's & 1 GPU Wu on a Quad Core. I have 3 ncpu's set in the cc_config.xml file & until this morning all 5 of my GPU Capable Box's ran 3 Regular Wu's & 1 GPU Wu. I stop & re-started BOINC several times but it would go right back to 3 Reg & 1 GPU so I re-booted and then it stayed @ 3 Reg & 1 GPU Wu & so far has stayed there ... Running Win XP Pro 64-Bit on that Box | |
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Set it to what, it's set to 100% now, what else would I wnat it to be other than 100% usage ??? | |
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Okay, I see now & will play with it a little & see what happens, Thanks Bender ... :) | |
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I am now not getting work from 3x+1 I keep getting "not getting work, wont finish in time You comp is on 98.4% of the time and BOINC gets 97.8% of that." | |
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Do you have the GPU-Grid ressource share massively higher than 3+1? | |
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true, I do... 100000 to the other 100. I didn't have this problem with 6.3.14 | |
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For you linux 64'ers try http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.3.21_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh version now posted. | |
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6.3.21 is now the suggested client. | |
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I have a problem which has crept in on a Linux64 host. It tells me there is no work for my platform only atom cell not avail...yada....yada ...however if I switch it back to 6.3.19 it downloads work. This also occurred on the same host when trying 6.3.14,and had to switch back to 6.3.10 to get work. | |
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On my Kubuntu 64 comp, 6.3.21 doesn't seem to be able to see my GPU. In the message tab it says "no coprocessors found". I've downloaded the latest Nvidia drivers which didn't help. GPU is a 8800GT. | |
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Is the user that runs BOINC part of the group video? BOINC is not in there by default, so it can't use the video card... This message also appears under Linux if you are using the wrong libcudart.so | |
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Sorry it took me so long to respond, but I've had other Boinc problems & eventually resorted to a re-installation. | |
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found a bug in 6.3.21 | |
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Been running GPUGrid under 6.3.21 on an i7 for about a week - I have found best WU turn around comes from setting processor usage to 99% under preferences. That way I'm running 7 other WUs and a GPU WU concurrently - GPUGrid WUs are taking about 6.5hours to complete on my 260-216..... | |
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Been running GPUGrid under 6.3.21 on an i7 for about a week - I have found best WU turn around comes from setting processor usage to 99% under preferences. That way I'm running 7 other WUs and a GPU WU concurrently - GPUGrid WUs are taking about 6.5hours to complete on my 260-216..... ¿How many GPUGRID WU's have you at the same time (crunching + in cache) with your i7? | |
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@Burdett: you's get the same result if you set BOINC to use at max 87.5% of the CPUs, wouldn't you? I'm wondering if there's any unwanted side effect of setting 99% of time.. but there's a separate thread for that. | |
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@Burdett: you's get the same result if you set BOINC to use at max 87.5% of the CPUs, wouldn't you? I'm wondering if there's any unwanted side effect of setting 99% of time.. but there's a separate thread for that. this percentage thing is totally silly - everyone knows how many cores his machine has. anyone with an X3-phenom abord to check what happens @50%? unless this is meant to be used to control the percentage of shaders to use.. ;) | |
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everyone knows how many cores his machine has. Yeah, I'd say 100% +/- 5 ;) this percentage thing is totally silly Is it? If I want to tell BOINC to run 7 cpu tasks along the one GPU task, I want it to run on 7/8 of all cpu cores, that's 87.5% anyone with an X3-phenom abord to check what happens @50%? The same as if you set between 26 and 49% on a quad core. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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There are 8 WUs - one running and 7 queued at any one time - which is a little over 2 days work give or take. | |
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Hi! | |
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Is it worth to change from 6.3.21 to 6.5.0 ? No. Will I crunch faster after change? No. Are new drivers better: No. BOINC 6.4.x is recommended more for debug reasons than anything else. There are still problems in these releases and they're difficult to find -> larger user base. The newer drivers are recommended, but as far as I know they're not faster in GPU-Grid. Only if you have the "out of memory" errors with a 64 Bit Win you should definitely upgrade to 180.84. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002 | |
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Hi! Make changes only when needed. If things work well, then there is little or no reason to "upgrade". In my case 6.4.5 was pretty flakey. I wanted to try the GPU processing so went to 6.5.0 ... but, had I not been interested in GPU processing I would have stayed with 5.x.y as it was working well for me. Processing speed is almost completely dependent on the science application. That is the program that does the work. BOINC adds some overhead but it is minimal. | |
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